Problem with high pitch noises

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Information on strange high pitch, low volume noises emitted by ThinkPads.

Problem description

Even though ThinkPads are known as very silent notebooks, they tend to emit different, mostly high pitch noises in certain circumstances. The noises are of low volume and hence not realized by everyone or at least tolerated by most people. However, there are those with "bat like ears" that hear them and might be annoyed by that.

Affected Models

Noises have been experienced in the following situations:

situation noise description affected models

Plugged into AC / running at high CPU frequency

soft crackling, buzzing noise

ThinkPad suspended to RAM

constant high pitch noise

ThinkPad connected to power and switched off, with battery fully charged

constant high pitch noise

moving windows or just the mouse in xorg

strange noise like a rapid series of very short high pitch noises adding to a constant kind of whistling (only as long as the movement goes)

Thinkpad connected to power or working on battery, also when suspended to RAM

High pitch noise also when HD is powered down.

Thinkpad connected to power battery charged less than 60%

High pitch noise till battery is charged more than 60%.

Constantly, if AC connected

High pitched, low volume constant noise.

When the CPU freq jumps up to 1Ghz or above, or when the laptop is in suspend mode

Constant high pitched

(May come from harddisk.)

continuous, intermittent, low volume, high pitched

ACPI puts the processor into the C3 or C4 power saving states (i.e., the system is idle).

High-pitched crackling noise.

Cpufreqd (or powernowd etc.) slows down the processor, for exemple at the end of an heavy task.

High-pitched crackling noise.

When on battery

Almost inaudible screeching sound, or sometimes beeping (when wifi is on)

CPU is used much AND laptop is on AC power AND the TFT panel is enabled. Screetching high pitch noise, like a million crickets

Affected Operating Systems

All, though Linux appears especially susceptible.

Possible sources

  • CPU activity: On some models the noise is triggered by certain CPU power states or activity patterns (as proven here).
  • Graphics processor: In some models from the T2x era, e.g. the T23, the problem was related to the graphics circuitry and occured especially or only while making use of DirectDraw functions. IBM was able to fix it through a BIOS upgrade.
  • Hard disk: On some ThinkPads the processor and hard disk are adjacent and produce similar noise. For example, in the X41 the sound generated by the hard disk is likely to be loudest at the vent.

Status

The problem is highly specific to operating system, model and even individual machines. There is no universal solution, but on most machines one of the following will reduce or eliminate the noise (possibly at some cost in power consumption).

Solutions for CPU-triggered noise

Change the timer interrupt frequency

Change the "HZ" kernel constants to alter the frequency of timer interrupts. Discussion:

  • Andreas Karnahl: i've read in several forums it has something to do with the "idle"-state (or "C3") of the processor. There is a frequency called "timer interrupt" (or something like that). Since kernel 2.6x it is set to 1000 Hz by default (compared to 100 Hz in Kernel 2.4x). The exact reason i don't know, but it is safe to change this frequency to 100 Hz in kernel 2.6x (by the way, windows up to XP uses 100 Hz by default).
    Just do the following:
In [path to kernel-sources]/include/asm-i386/param.h find the line
#define HZ 1000
and change the value of HZ to 100:
#define HZ 100
Then recompile the kernel.
After i changed it on my ThinkPad A30 (under SuSE 9.2 and 9.3) and recompiling the kernel the high pitch noise is gone away.
  • Omar Yasin: Worked on my R52, thanks.
  • Thinker: In modern kernels this constant is in the kernel configuration (Processor type and features -> Timer frequency).

Limit ACPI CPU power states

There are four ACPI CPU power states, called C1 through C4. Often only the extreme power saving modes C4 or C3 produce the noise, so we the noise can be stopped by insructing the Linux ACPI code to use only lower modes.

To forbid the ACPI driver from using C4 (this fixed the problem with on some ThinkPad T43 and T43p):

  • If the ACPI processor component is compiled as built-in (CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=y):
    • Pass the max_cstate=3 kernel argument.
  • If the ACPI processor component is loaded as a module (CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=m and processor shows in the output of # lsmod), do either of:
    • Pass the processor.max_cstate=3 kernel argument.
    • Add options processor max_cstate=2 to /etc/modprobe.conf (or /etc/modprobe.conf.local, or /eetc/modprobe.d/..., depending on your system).one
    • # echo 3 > /sys/module/processor/parameters/max_cstate (this can be changed in runtime for experimentation).

To also forbid the C3 state, replace "3" with "2" above (this fixed the problem on some ThinkPad X40, X41 and R52):

Note that these options affect power consumption when the CPU is idle. For example, here are the power consumption figures on a ThinkPad T43:

  • processor.max_cstate=4: 15160mW (default, noisy)
  • processor.max_cstate=3: 15770mW (660mW higher, silent)
  • processor.max_cstate=2: 16100mW (2940mW higher, silent)

See the discussion page for further information and success reports.

Disable ACPI CPU power states

Completely disable CPU ACPI power states. Discussion:

  • From Martin Steigerwald: I made the observation that I get at least less high pitch noises on my T23 when I do not use the two ACPI modules "processor" and "thermal" (depends on the first one). I have no clue, why. Anyone with similar experiences?
Omar Yasin: I've got a R52 and when I load the same ACPIO modules the high pitch noises are not as loud but I can still hear them.
  • Niko Ehrenfeuchter: I'm experiencing the same here on my X24. Removing the "processor" module also stops the pitch noise, which does ONLY occur when setting the CPU to maximum speed (using cpufreq). On low speed it's completely silent, even having loaded the processor module.
  • Rolf Adelsberger: I can confirm this: the high pitch noise is only remarkable (at least with my ears ;-) ) if the processor speed is set to maximum frequency.
  • Stefan Baums: My X41 produced a high-pitched crackle from the processor vent on the left. Changing HZ did nothing, and the 'processor' module could not easily be removed from the system (Ubuntu 5.04). What solved the problem for me was adding idle=halt to the boot command line. Unfortunately, this solution only lasts until the first hibernation or suspend - when the computer (X41) resumes, the high-pitched crackle is back.
  • The idle=halt solution combined with setting #define HZ 100 in the kernel fixes the problem on a T43.
  • jhatch: idle=halt plus #define HZ 100 also worked on my T43. It still reverts back to noisy after a suspend/resume though. This needs to be fixed...

Prevent idling

Indirectly avoid power saving states by making sure the CPU is rarely idle:

  • Paul RIVIER: Here is a really simple workaround. C3 / C4 states are mainly called when the cpu freq is higher than required, for example if your cpufreqd is lazy to slow down the frequency but quick to raise it. That is why I use powernowd with the builtin "passive" mode, which is lazy for raising frequency, but quick to go back to the lowest. Now I don't hear them as often as before, as I avoid C3/C4 states at high frequency.
  • The problem also occurs on my X41 with 2.6.11. Setting up frequency scaling with the ondemand governor makes things a lot better, as the processor does not stay with the maximum frequency when in idle mode. It can be still heard sometimes, though.
  • On a T43 the noise was gone after dropping cpufreqd and switching to the ondemand governor - maybe because of the high sampling rate? (used the default: 10ms)

Other solutions

Disable UltraBay

  • Naheed Vora: My T41 (2373-268) started to give high pitch noise ocassionally, when I upgraded to 2.6.11 kernel. I tried to unload lot of modules but finally figured out that disabling bay stops the noise. If you have ibm-acpi, do (need a cleaner solution): $ echo eject >/proc/acpi/ibm/bay .

Disable IrDA

  • Mike Perry: I was able to cure an intermittent high-pitched whine on both my X24 and X40 by disabling the Infrared port.

Disable the Linuxant Modem Driver

  • Joern Heissler: I made another experience. I played around with linuxant conexant modem drivers. After loading them I got some noise on my T42p.
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