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I can only speak for the Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) listed above. | I can only speak for the Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) listed above. | ||
| − | It does NOT work out of the box, and all serials have the same firmware 1.03 from Seagate (I called them). No user has reported this drive to work and users have reported that it gives the error after the IBM firmware to get it up to version 1.07. | + | It does NOT work out of the box, and all serials have the same firmware 1.03 from Seagate (I called them). No user has reported this drive to work and users have reported that it gives the error after the IBM firmware to get it up to version 1.07. I also upgraded the firmware manually with IBM's util which you have to do because it only automatically updates if the drive contains an older "IBM" version of the firwmare. Of course with no help from the directions below or Seagate support, just upgraded the firmware based on running the Seagate util and see it's parameters listed. |
To upgrade the IBM firmware the directions given on the link at the bottom were also wrong applying to the Seagate drives. | To upgrade the IBM firmware the directions given on the link at the bottom were also wrong applying to the Seagate drives. | ||
| + | But there is no need to upgrade that drive with IBM's firm. | ||
This drive will always cause the error for every person on one of the laptops, I bought when because this create hope and the WARNING is inaccurate as I mentioned since they all have 1.03 "out of the box" which doesn't work. Seagate knows it doesn't work. | This drive will always cause the error for every person on one of the laptops, I bought when because this create hope and the WARNING is inaccurate as I mentioned since they all have 1.03 "out of the box" which doesn't work. Seagate knows it doesn't work. | ||
Revision as of 19:02, 1 September 2006
Contents
Problem Description
When replacing the system disk with one that is not a ThinkPad option designed for the specific model, the BIOS will display an "Error 2010" warning during every boot. The system may still boot successfully, but may be unreliable or slow.
Affected Models
- ThinkPad T43, T43p
- ThinkPad R52
- ThinkPad X41, X41 Tablet
Affected Operating Systems
The reliability and performance issues depend on the operating system. They have been reported for Windows. It is not clear to what degree Linux is susceptible.
Status
The error is displayed when the system drive is not one of the few approved disks listed inside the BIOS, and may indicate a real problem. These systems have a SATA disk controller, and employ a SATA-to-PATA bridge in order to use PATA (IDE) drives. It is rumored that this bridge requires changes in the drive firmware, and the BIOS checks for this adapted firmware.
Recent BIOSs provide the option to disable the need to press Esc after the message (for ThinkPad T43 models 26xx, BIOS version 1.24 or higher).
There are no such issues for disks used in the UltraBay Slim 2nd Hard Drive Adapter.
Solutions
Disable the message
A recent BIOS for your machine may provide the option to disable need to press Esc after the message (under Startup -> Boot after message for Hard drive...). However, the delay and beeps are still enforced. Note that the error message could indicate a real problem, which will not be resolved by disabling the message.
Use dedicated ThinkPad option parts
Use a ThinkPad-branded option drive listed as designed for your specific ThinkPad Model.
Upgrade the drive firmware
IBM provides firmware upgrades (old, new) for some of its option drives to make them compatible with the affected ThinkPad models. The upgrades are available only for certain drive models, and may work only when the drive is sold as an IBM options (see below). Most drives do not have such upgrades, and some manufacturers have refused to adapt their firmware to the limitations of ThinkPad systems.
Drives that work out of the box
- Seagate ST9120821A (120GB 5400RPM)
- Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST980825A (80GB 7200RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
- Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM)
- Fujitsu MHV2100AH (100GB 5400RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
SUBMITTED September 1st, 2006
I can only speak for the Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) listed above.
It does NOT work out of the box, and all serials have the same firmware 1.03 from Seagate (I called them). No user has reported this drive to work and users have reported that it gives the error after the IBM firmware to get it up to version 1.07. I also upgraded the firmware manually with IBM's util which you have to do because it only automatically updates if the drive contains an older "IBM" version of the firwmare. Of course with no help from the directions below or Seagate support, just upgraded the firmware based on running the Seagate util and see it's parameters listed. To upgrade the IBM firmware the directions given on the link at the bottom were also wrong applying to the Seagate drives. But there is no need to upgrade that drive with IBM's firm.
This drive will always cause the error for every person on one of the laptops, I bought when because this create hope and the WARNING is inaccurate as I mentioned since they all have 1.03 "out of the box" which doesn't work. Seagate knows it doesn't work.
I also performed a low level format, took between 9 and 11 hours, still didn't work. Just wanted to make sure. Do not buy this drive for those laptops. I'm going to down grade the R52 BIOS since there are no reported problems running any ATA drive in a system like this using a SATA to PATA bridge but I'll be using a different drive. Not the 150 dollar momentus.
Hope this helps some people not make the same mistake I did. I strongly caution against purchasing any momentus for these laptops based on this experience.
Thanks,
Jason
Drives that will work after a firmware update
Note that Windows is necessary for the firmware update, but may not boot before the firmware update is applied. Therefore a second machine or an Ultrabay HDD adapter may be required for the update.
- Fujitsu MHT2080AH (80GB 5400RPM), using this firmware update
Drives which produce an error and not known to have working firmware
- Hitachi HTS541010M9AT00 (100GB 5400RPM)
- Hitachi DJSA-220
- Hitachi HTS726060M9AT00
- Hitachi HTS721080G9AT00 (7K100 80GB 7200RPM)
- Seagate ST9100823A (100GB 5400RPM)
The following drives have firmware updates, but the firmware update software has been reported to refuse updates for no obvious reason:
- Hitachi HTS548080M9AT00 (80GB 5400RPM)
- Hitachi HTS541080G9AT00
- Toshiba MK4019GAX (40GB 5400RPM)
It has been reported that for Hitachi drives, firmware update is possible only with drives manufactured for IBM. Other Hitachi drives may use PROM instead of EPROM for the firmware and thus cannot be updated.
Use an Ultrabay adapter
You can use most PATA drives through an UltraBay Slim HDD Adapter (or the equivalent for your system or docking station). This can be a convenient configuration to use the second HD as a data drive. Another useful configuration is having the second drive bootable to a different OS, since it insulates you from many, though not necessarily all dual boot problems related to multiple OSs on the same physical volume. Most modern BIOS provides a boot manager function ahead of any OS load, so the "alternate" OS need not even know that another OS is present. In the case of the T43, installing the second OS onto a drive in the 2nd HDD Adapter is problematic since that bay is where the CDROM/DVDROM normally sits, so some extraordinary procedure is needed. This might be from a bootable USB-connected CDROM/DVDROM or a network source if your OS supports it; it may also be possible to mount the CDROM/DVDROM in a dock and do the install from there. Be careful of OS installations or disk management functions that attempt to write identification information to the disk that isn't theirs.
BIOS downgrade
Tell IT systems is claiming that a BIOS downgrade to v1.01 will solve the problem, and provide instructions (which, incidentally, copy portions of this page in violation of copyright). The instructions are specific to certain ThinkPad R52 and T43-1xxx models. A similar report is made here. This procedure is not recommended. It requires downgrading to an ancient BIOS version, which may have adverse effects. Also, while the old BIOS version may not include the code to generate the warning, the underlying problem will probably still exist. See the discussion page.
Links
- Discussion about Problems with non-thinkpad option drives on T43 thinkpads at thinkpads.com.
- Guide on flashing a retail HD to IBM official FW at thinkpads.com. Follow this guide at your own risk although some people have reported that it works.
